There's a fascinating discussion on Telic Thoughts about the sense that most people have that there is an "underlying purpose to the cosmos." This is interesting in itself, but the comment thread meanders to other subjects, such as prophecy and the potential falsification of the central component of Christianity, the resurrection. I found this fascinating, as I had never thought of it in quite this way before.
I should have, though, because Paul makes this very point:
"But tell me this! Since you believe what we preach, that Christ rose from the dead, why are some of you saying that dead people will never come back to life again? For if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ must still be dead. And if he is still dead, then all our preaching is useless and your trust in God is empty, worthless, hopeless; and we apostles are all liars because we have said that God raised Christ from the dead, and of course that isn't true if the dead do not come back to life again. If they don't, then Christ is still dead, and you are very foolish to keep on trusting God to save you, and you are still under condemnation for your sins; in that case all Christians who have died are lost! And if being a Christian is of value to us only now in this life, we are the most miserable of creatures." (1 Corinthians 15: 12-19, The Living Bible)
In other words, if Christ was not resurrected, Christianity is false, and I am spinning my wheels.
Paul doesn't just assert this, however; he provided corroboration. In an earlier part of the chapter he writes:
"I passed on to you right from the first what had been told to me, that Christ died for our sins just as the Scriptures said he would, and that he was buried, and that three days afterwards he arose from the grave just as the prophets foretold. He was seen by Peter and later by the rest of the Twelve. After that he was seen by more than five hundred Christian brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have died by now. Then James saw him and later all the apostles. " (1 Corinthians 15: 3-7)
So, Paul is saying, if you don't believe me, go talk to these eyewitnesses. This doesn't sound like a deliberate liar, or someone trying to spread the "new myth" of Christianity, since these people could easily deny his statements.
Paul's earlier devil's advocate quotation sounds like an objection raised today: Christ was not resurrected because miracles don't occur. To me, this is a cutting-off-your-nose-to-spite-your- face argument, or maybe a snake swallowing its tail. As so well stated by a commenter named Randy on the referenced thread:
"I fail to see how an event established by eyewitness contemporaries of Jesus is circular reasoning. I think you would have to show more evidence that they were lying, or that they were delusional, or that they had a particular insincere agenda before resorting to that argument. Most eyewitness accounts of history are accepted. We don't doubt the eyewitness accounts of the holocaust when many of them were given well after the events themselves. Why do we doubt the well documented events of the resurrection? I'll tell you the only reason that anyone could give: because miracles don't happen. But that is more circular than accepting the testimony."
It seems to me this is a good way to stifle debate of any sort, and paint people of faith as irrational. (Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine. No, I'm not going to stop talking about it.) I think that a serious thinker would have to at least acknowledge the possibility of miracles happening, and the possibility that God caused them (or, to go back further on the chain, the possibility that God exists), for his/her claims to be taken seriously, at least by me. Otherwise, I'm not going to bother; I see no sense in talking to someone whose mind is bricked shut.
As another commenter, Bradford, states:
"I've come to realize that if someone does not want to believe something no amount of evidence can be persuasive but I also take with a grain of salt the objections raised by such individuals."
Something to remember.
Showing posts with label what is faith?. Show all posts
Showing posts with label what is faith?. Show all posts
May 27, 2007
May 21, 2006
Dissecting Da Vinci
Everybody and their second cousins (including Muslims--how ironical) are jumping on the "Demonize Da Vinci" bandwagon.
Apparently some people think the sky is just going to fall in if you see it. That your faith will be wrecked, your worldview shattered, your entire life turned upside down.
Well, folks, if ONE movie--a movie which is, it must be noted, an adaptation of a novel (as in fiction, folks--or, WE MADE IT ALL UP)--does that to your faith, it wasn't much of a faith to begin with.
I have no plans to see "Da Vinci", and I haven't read the book. This wasn't due to any repulsion over the subject matter; rather, all the reviews I had seen suggested it was a poorly written, turgid mishmash, and I have no time to read junk. I have no time to watch it in the theater, either. But the supposed debunking of Christianity does not bother me; I see similar arguments on the secular blogs I visit, and all they inspire is a shrug, a rolling of the eyes, and a moving on.
My faith does not depend on any bad writer's twisting of history. Paul wrote about my faith, and expressed it very well.
"What is faith? It is the confident assurance that something we want is going to happen. It is the certainty that what we hope for is waiting for us, even though we cannot see it up ahead." (Hebrews 11:1,2)
James also wrote about faith, and what we need to do to prove that it exists and has taken up residence in us.
"Just as the body is dead when there is no spirit in it, so faith is dead if it is not the kind that results in good deeds." (James 2:26)
So my faith is certainly not troubled by some silly movie, and yours shouldn't be either. Let other people get on their high horse and waste their time protesting. I will try my best to do what God wants me to.
"The Christian who is pure and without fault, from God the Father's point of view, is the one who takes care of orphans and widows, and who remains true to the Lord--not soiled and dirtied by his contacts with the world." (James 1:27)
That's what's important, not some celluloid fantasy.
Apparently some people think the sky is just going to fall in if you see it. That your faith will be wrecked, your worldview shattered, your entire life turned upside down.
Well, folks, if ONE movie--a movie which is, it must be noted, an adaptation of a novel (as in fiction, folks--or, WE MADE IT ALL UP)--does that to your faith, it wasn't much of a faith to begin with.
I have no plans to see "Da Vinci", and I haven't read the book. This wasn't due to any repulsion over the subject matter; rather, all the reviews I had seen suggested it was a poorly written, turgid mishmash, and I have no time to read junk. I have no time to watch it in the theater, either. But the supposed debunking of Christianity does not bother me; I see similar arguments on the secular blogs I visit, and all they inspire is a shrug, a rolling of the eyes, and a moving on.
My faith does not depend on any bad writer's twisting of history. Paul wrote about my faith, and expressed it very well.
"What is faith? It is the confident assurance that something we want is going to happen. It is the certainty that what we hope for is waiting for us, even though we cannot see it up ahead." (Hebrews 11:1,2)
James also wrote about faith, and what we need to do to prove that it exists and has taken up residence in us.
"Just as the body is dead when there is no spirit in it, so faith is dead if it is not the kind that results in good deeds." (James 2:26)
So my faith is certainly not troubled by some silly movie, and yours shouldn't be either. Let other people get on their high horse and waste their time protesting. I will try my best to do what God wants me to.
"The Christian who is pure and without fault, from God the Father's point of view, is the one who takes care of orphans and widows, and who remains true to the Lord--not soiled and dirtied by his contacts with the world." (James 1:27)
That's what's important, not some celluloid fantasy.
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